[Avodah] Mitzvah Haba'a BeAveira

Michael Makovi mikewinddale at gmail.com
Wed May 21 05:12:48 PDT 2008


> In other words he simply is not respecting her boundaries - "I want what
> I want, and I don't care what it means for you to give it to me." What
> other issurim will she be over to accommodate him?
>
> -- Kayza

B'vadai, he cannot expect her to do it - I agree with you. It's like
the case in the Gemara of the man who will die if he doesn't
(progressively going down) have relations with, or touch, or see, or
hear a certain woman - she is not required to do any of these, to
compromise her modesty, for some wacko. Now, I'll hazard an UNeducated
guess that if she of her own free will decides to let him hear her
(speaking) voice or see her (wearing enough clothing), i.e. no
explicit lavim, that's her prerogative. But we cannot force her.
(Actually, if she of her own free will decided to do an actual
bona-fide lav, such as let him touch her, or even have relations
(assuming she is not married or related to him, and so it isn't one of
the big three), can she do this, in the name of pikuach nefesh? All I
know from the Gemara is that we don't force her. But can she "force"
herself?)

So the question then is, if she of her own free will decides to hug
him, is there a certain level of emotional need of his that justifies
this act, the same way, for example, a man can reciprocate a woman's
handshake (after she's already extended her hand) to avoid shaming
her?

If so, why is it not mitzvah ha-ba'ah ba'averah? This also applies to
the handshake example I've just offered.

Mikha'el Makovi



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