[Avodah] Sholom Aleichem [was: Tinok Shenishba]

[Micha Berger]

On Thu, May 08, 2008 at 11:46:05PM -0400, Richard Wolpoe wrote:
:> Why is assuming that mal'akhim have bechirah more AZ than assuming
:> people do and asking them?Tir'u baTov!

: The premise aiui is that believing that mal'achim have independent power is
: a form of kefira itself even if ou do NOT avail yourself of their
: attributed powers!  Almost like saying someone accepts "shituf" but goes to
: the Top of the Pantheon. ...

Complicate that picture with the history of AZ, that historically it
started with worshipping things like mal'akhim as a way of honoring
the King by honoring His entourage, and then it grew to neglecting the
relationship with the king.

However, all you did was justify my reluctance to say "barkhuni".
Perhaps if the nusach was to ask Hashem to have these mal'akhim bless me,
I wouldn't have a problem saying it.

But lefi normal people, who can say the words "Barkhuni leShalom"
without feeling uncomfortable, wouldn't one be compelled to say that
mal'akhim with bechirah is not inherently more problematic than people
with bechirah?

You are making my problem more acute, rather than helping me reconcile
myself to my minhag to the point of my being capable of following it.

: OTOH it would seem to be to be kosher afaik if one were to daven to HKBH and
: ask: "Please send Repha'el to heal me."

Or, to send Af Beri to make it rain. (As per the nusach of tefillas Geshem.)

Tir'u baTov!
-Micha

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