[Avodah] Yom ha'atma'us etc.

[Micha Berger]

On Wed, May 07, 2008 at 11:32:43PM -0400, Richard Wolpoe wrote:
: Well it IS Israel Independence day but it is NOT the 5th of Iyyar.   If the
: 5th of Iyyar has qedusha, then does it make sense to say Hallel 2 days
: earlier?

I discussed this question with my father, and concluded that if there
is anything one is celebrating on YhA, it's that there exists a state
in which holidays are moved lekhavod Shabbos.

That said, I'm not sure what neis happened on 5 Iyyar either. (Aside
from my father's line that 37 Jews got together and had fewer than
38 opinions. <g>) And the actual yeshu'ah came with the reduction of
hostilities - 4 Sivan (June 11). I don't want to get into opinions
about the history, just pointing out that "momentous occasion" isn't
the criterion for Hallel or a Purim Qatan.

: AISI since only the complete G'eulah will merit full Hallel...

Then there should be no Hallel bizman hazeh. Hallel would only be
something coined by the melech hamashiach or his contemporaries.

Purim and Chanukah were partial yeshuos, commemorated without Hallel
(this is explicit in the gemara - no Hallel because we were still under
shibud Achasheveiros at the end of the story) but where was a recognized
supernatural event on each of those dates.

So, regardless of how one personally assess the significance of the event,
I do not see how 5 Iyar gets Purim Qatan status.

Notice that this argument would not apply to Yom Y-m. There the day
centers on something its observers believe to be an identifiable lemaalah
min hateva event.

:-)BBii!
-Micha

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