[Avodah] R' Angel & Geirus Redux

[Micha Berger]

On Fri, Mar 28, 2008 at 08:09:24AM +0300, Danny Schoemann wrote:
: Even if they have heard of the concept of not driving on Shabbos
: doesn't mean they assume that  Yidden are forbidden to do so; they
: assume it's a personal chumra of a select few. ...

"I'm C," or R, "I don't have to do that" is a commonly heard sentiment,
r"l.

Bottom line (to my mind) is that if TsN is an application of the idea
of oneis or shogeig, then whether a person who had exposure to O is
technically still a tinoq shenishba, if he carries around this kind
of misconception, how is he not still patur bevause of the grander
underlying principle?

As I wrote in response to RDE's sources, that there is no setirah
between saying patur in terms of carrying no guilt, and saying "nebich
an apiqoreis is also an apiqoreis". With the exception of ROY, I found
most of his sources to say both.

WRT the subject line, deciding whether someone is a candidate for geirus
is not an issue of guilt. It's an issue of whrther he actually does
accept what is mandatory to accept. He could fail to do so for utterly
innocent reasons, but still have not done the steps necessary for geirus.

Tir'u baTov!
-Micha

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