[Avodah] Skipping Korbanos

[SBA]

From: "Moshe Y. Gluck" < >
R' SBA: Thirdly, (maybe the Lakewooders can answer this),how many davveners
of this mini version of Mincha immediately sit down to learn. And how many
simply go home to eat, nap or do shopping?
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True, but they have to do that anyway, right? So this way, they get back to
second Seder faster. 
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Even if that was really the case, is it right to do this on the cheshbon of
zeman tefila (lechud)? 

>> The other reason I've heard for Heicha Kedusha, BTW, is that it's better
to say only three Berachos out loud: It's more likely that the Kahal will be
Mechaven with the appropriate Amens for those than if the Chazan would
recite all nineteen Berachos. 
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Huh? Yeshiva and Kollelniks who Torosom umnoson can't be mechaven
Properly??? 
Now, had you said this about us 2nd rate 'baalei-battim', it could be an
excuse. But bnei Torah !?

And what about Shachris? Then they are able to mechaven??

> after Maariv I noticed that they didn't say "Veyiten Lecho".
> I queried this with RK, who explained that it isn't said in (Litvish)
> yeshivos for reasons of 'bitul Torah'. I asked him to show me a single
person in this room, who is now learning Torah?  Teiku.
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I don't know, I have never seen V'yiten Lecha said in a Nusach Ashkenaz
Shul, whether or not Yeshivish. 
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Pardon?? AFAIK, ALLl nusach Ashkenaz shuls say VL before Aleinu.
Hungarian/Yekke and presumably Litvish. (REMT, can you comfirm?)

>>FWIW, I can never remember seeing it said in a Nusach Sefard Shul, either

Standard nusach Sfard doesn't say it in Shul, but later at home. It's in
EVERY siddur!! 

And believe it or not, saying VL is not some 'chumra', but a Halacha in SA
OC 295 in the Rema (also see Biur Halacha there which explains the 2
minhagim on when to say it.). See also KSA 96:2.

Interesting story. When the late TA rebbe visited Melbourne the first time
nearly 35 years ago, he davvened MS in our main Shul - which is nusach
Ashkenaz. He noticed that the tzibur there said 'Vayiten lecho' - unlike his
- nusach Sfard - minhag saying it later at home after havdala.

When he went back to EY, he introduced the saying of VL in his shul,
immediately following his havdala there - thus ensuring that it is indeed
said by all..

SBA