[Avodah] TIDE and Austritt

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On Sun, Jun 29, 2008 at 01:39:57AM +1000, SBA wrote:
: Does anyone deny that RSRH and SIL had strong kanoi and anti-zionist :
hashkafas? Or is that one part of the TIDE world that we want to forget :
about?

R' Micha, in reaction, asked:
A question for Avodah -- were Austritt and TiDE inextractably linked as
one overall hashkafah? Or can one agree with RSRH on TiDE but relegate
Austritt to a time when R was in rapid growth and a challenge to O?

My answer:
To me it is clear, after reading R' Elias ;) and Collected Writings, that
they are inextricably linked. It is a clear outgrowth of the need for the
Torah to reign supreme in all areas, including communal as well.

However, the question of his reaction to Israel is more complicated, and I
won't venture a guess as to where he would of ended up. Someplace on the
spectrum from Brisk (total Austritt) to Agudah (ideological Austritt but
pragamatic cooperation), where exactly I don't know.

KT,
MSS