[Avodah] An old Pshat and a Question About Milchig on Shavuos

[Samuel Svarc]

> Subject: Re: [Avodah] An old Pshat and a Question About Milchig on
> 	Shavuos

> 	OK, different strokes for different folks. So warring factions of 
> angels and HKB"H taking sides and angels refusing to do HKB"H's will 
> would be OK according to your mehalech (sounds parallel to Greek 
> mythology but I've always been confused by "angels" in tanach vs..
> talmud). I was taught "angels"  were beings without free will who did 
> HKB"H's single and direct command and that any "counterexamples" that 
> I pointed out needed to be understood as lessons not reality.
>
> 	KT
> 	Joel Rich

I must say that I'm very surprised. "Not reality"? When you bite into a
fruit tree's bark you taste any fruity flavors? It was a direct command from
HKB"H that in reality was disobeyed. If you eliminate the freewill from the
malachim then instead you're saying that HKB"H is the one who fights with
himself. So I guess that a triumvirate G-D is OK according to your m'halech
(sounds like Christian theology to me, but maybe there are people who hold
like that). And pray tell, what are the malachim worried about that we
should say "v'malachim yo'chifazon'. And if the nifilim were changed in that
they were given freewill and lack of it is a defining aspect of being a
malach then as I see it, HKB"H didn't really show anything by switching them
out of being what they were before.

KT,
MSS