[Avodah] Rosh Hashanah 32b There's Hope For Everyone

[Micha Berger]

On Tue, May 20, 2008 at 09:24:29PM -0400, Richard Wolpoe wrote:
: > And no one knows the technical limitations of derashos anymore -- one
: > of the reasons (perhaps the lack of Sanhedrin is a 2nd) we don't in
: > practice make new ones even lefi haRambam.

: Except that
:    1. The Taz created a new Halacha of davening Arbis after Tzeis becuase of
:    Temimos

Not a derashah. "Temimos" is being translated.

:    2. The Maharil created the concept of sinlges not wearing Tzitzis due to
:    semuchos of Gedillim and Ki Yikach ish isha...

We're discussing the creation/discovery of new deOraisos (lefi
haRambam). Does the Maharil claim this is deOraisa? I don't think wearing
tallis is deOraisa altogether -- it just "looks bad" when saying parashas
tzitzis not to have them.

I also am under the belief he was finding a heter for an existing
anomolous minhag, not interoducing new, anyway.

But this is an aspmachta, not a derashah.


We're also discussing whether they can be wrong, or if they define
"right". This is a tangent; which is okay if it doesn't leave the first
issue unresolved.

: Most of the Bavli era lacked a Sanhedrin anyway yet drashos AFAIK still took
: place..

We have discussed this in the past. The gemara discusses the end of
gezeirah shava (that has no mesorah), it was early tannaim. The Tosefta
then takes out the possibility of anything but qal vachomer. The later
tannaim themselves state that it ended before their day.

Perhaps the same answer, asmachta, applies here.



In any case, Rebbe dies in 220 CE R' Hillel II died in 385, Ravina died
in 399. (Rav Ashi lived until 427, but the gemara persumably had to be
written when both were alive.) So, by the narrowest definition, there
were 180 years of amora'im, of which only 14 didn't have a Sanhedrin.

However, aside from the mesorah about R' Hillel heading the last Sanhedrin
which is why they had to make the calendar, historians generally believe
his son R' Gamliel IV headed the last generation of the Sanhedrin until
he was killed by Theodosius II (for building new shuls) in 425. After
the writing of the gemara.

The Rambam may be dating the end of the Sanhedrin similarly when he
discusses the authority of sha"s and mentions it being endorsed by
the Sanhedrin. (However, he rests the authority on "nispasheit lekhol
Yisrael", not this point, so one needn't accept it to accept the Rambam's
model of halakhah. This is relevent when discussing the SA, which was
nispasheit -- most of its pesaqim -- but no Sanhedrin. Then again, maybe
the SA was directly related to the attempt to restore the semichah,
and that really was what Maran Bet Yosef was trying to do???)

114 years of the gemara's era was post-Sanhderin. But since the technique
was lost before the compilation of the Tosefta, it's not overly relevent
to our discussion.

Tir'u baTov!
-Micha

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