[Avodah] Fw: [Areivim] CI and RAYHK

[Shoshana L. Boublil]

Subject: Re: [Areivim] CI and RAYHK

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> Or perhaps in 1979, it looked one way, and today it's not so clear (or
> we've regressed).
>
> Is it so pashut that something that reishit tzmichat geulateinu [sic]
> can't ever regress (kal v'chomer if you just hold it's a matanah
> tovah)?
>
> -- Mike Miller
> Ramat Bet Shemesh

Many quote Rav Hertzog as saying that it won't regress (when he was advised 
to leave Israel in WWII, he refused to do so saying that the Germans would 
never reach Israel - which turned out to be absolutely true).

Here is a shi'ur with all the sources and it includes references to many
Rabbis who state that this Shivat Tzion is Atchalta D'Geula.
They are not talking about the State (which didn't exist when many of these
Rabbis spoke).

Including:

Chafetz Chaim; Natziv; Ba'al Yeshu'ot Malko; Malbim; Ba'al Torah Temima;
RAYK; R' Hertzog; Rav Uziel; R' Shlomo Zalman Aurbach; R' Y. Landau (Bnei
Brak); Rav Tzvi Pesach Frank; Rav Tikochinsky; Rav Zalman Sorotzkin; Rav
Yechezkel Sarna and more.

(In Hebrew)

http://www.tora.co.il/shiurim/shvat/lo_galot_n.doc

Shoshana L. Boublil