[Avodah] proofs of G-d

[Richard Wolpoe]

On Nov 20, 2007 6:12 PM, Daniel Eidensohn <yadmoshe at 012.net.il> wrote:

> R' Richard Wolpoe wrote:
> >
> You have brought no evidence that the sources I have cited are limited
> to an individual blaming himself for his own suffering. Furthermore if
> you want to claim that only a prophet can say such a thing than you need
> to justify why chazal make such statements all over Shas e.g.,  why was
> the Temple destroyed. In addition it seems to be a common practice
> throught the ages - as you yourself note with disapproval.
>
> Daniel Eidensohn
>
>
> To quote Rabban Gamliel kesubbos 78a Sunday's Daf:

>  al hachadashim anu  boshim! ela she'atem meglagalin aleinu es
> hayeshanim?!
>
To paraphrase Rabban Gamliel with its converse:

> It's difficult enough when Hazal take it upon themselves way back when to
> BLAME circumstances, do we have to do it, too!?
>

And anyway since when do WE have the same kochos as hazal? Are you
suggesting since THEY did WE can do it!  Where do you draw the line?

My machazor has "umipnei chata'EINU mei'artzeinu?"
It does NOT say umeichat'os group X group Y galinu mei'artzeinu! - why not?!
After all it could have stated,

>  umpinei son 'ei hinma bizman hamikdash galinu mei'artzeinu!
>

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