[Avodah] proofs of G-d

[Rich, Joel]

<<Bottom line: I think Judaism, Torah, and religion in general would be
better off admitting that we really do not understand how God works
rather than parading around our speculations about God and claiming them
as Dogma.  There is a certain hubris from people that claim God wants
THIS or God wants THAT. How do they know? Did they receive a prophecy?
I can quote Torah or Nevi'im and say that God has expressed Himself in a
givne verse as demanding X but I cannot say for sure that given
thecomplexity of a particular situation that God wants any specific
action. >>

This is in essence the approach of RYBS . He was a philosopher and so
had the same problems. However, living in Israel, ROY, R. Schach etc all
know the reasons for every tragedy and publically present a very
simplistic picture.


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Eli Turkel
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I basically agree with R'Eli on R'Ybs. I am not a
sociologist/anthropologist etc. but it seems to me that there has been a
trend towards people expecting religion to have specific answers, make
life easier etc. (yes, R' Eli - I know R'YBS was clear that this was not
the role of religion).  What I wonder about is which is the chicken and
which is the egg - did we get leaders who answered our need or did they
create the need?

KT
Joel Rich
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