[Avodah] Lifnei iver

[Micha Berger]

On Tue, November 13, 2007 12:00 pm, R Michael Elzufon wrote:
: RMK wrote:
:> "Amar Rav yehuda amar Rav: Kol mi sheyesh lo ma'os umalveh osan shelo
:> b'edim oveir mishum v'lifnei iver lo sitein michsol, v'reish lakish
omer
:> gorem klalah l'atzmo."  In this case, the gemara also refers to it as
:> lifnei iver, even though there is clearly no transgression taking
place
:> except in the unlikely circumstance that the loveh is kofeir. This is
:> most definitely not an issur of lifnei iveir.  It is at most a
:> gezeirah/takanah...

: [[MJE]] In Moed Katan, shamta (a form of herem) is suggested for the
: offender.  That does not sound like a middath hasiduth.

Does lifnei iveir apply to causing someone to do an aveirah, or to
making it likely a person does one? If the latter, then we would need
to know how much more likely need it be in order to be violating
lifnei iveir?

It seems to me that's the probability threshold being discussed. Not
our original discussion of the threshold of probability before making
a taqanah. I would think the latter involves things like the severity
of the issur, so that for carrying on Shabbos, even the unlikely
shofar carrier can cause a motivation strong enough to call for a
sheiv ve'al ta'aseh of an asei deOraisa.

But in either case, I see no reason to assume that statistics means
taqanah and if not, the two "shiurim" of probability aren't
necessarily related.

SheTir'u baTov!
-micha

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