[Avodah] Women's zimun

[Micha Berger]

On Mon, Nov 05, 2007 at 06:21:56PM -0500, Meir Shinnar wrote:
: > The formalist's answer would depend on whether he emphasizes Shas
: > (must) or BY (may) or MB (ought not).

: No one has brought any support from any classical source for don't -
: only that it wasn't done - but without the leap that therefore it
: shouldn't be done.

: The MB never says it shouldn't be done - he brings down that the
: minhag is not like the gra - who requires it...

No, but it is at this point a text that implies "ought not",
a codification of the minhag avos argument. I did intentially write
"ought not" rather than "can not".

IOW, the MB's argument is minhag avos... Err... imahos. But someone
pointing to the MB rather than the authority of minhag itself is still
trying to make an argument on the authority of a text.

My following RDLifshitz's preference for the AhS doesn't make me a
mimeticist. Rather, I'm following a text written by someone with a strong
belief in the authority of minhag. I'm not doing what I was raised to
do because halakhah is related to as a culture.

This is also a flaw in following "chadash assur min haTorah". It calls
for one to consciously imitate a kind of yahadus that wasn't founded on
conscious imitation of the past! Chidush! Veharaayah, it is less fluid
than the pre-declaration version they are trying to preserve.

I didn't mean this as an upshlug. Just that CAMT is an equal and
opposite reaction, and not (as it seems at first glance from the words)
a preservation of pre-haskalah life.

(Nor do I think RMShinnar would find that a chiddush.)

Tir'u baTov!
-Micha

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