[Avodah] Kaddish Triggers

[Richard Wolpoe]

On 11/4/07, Jonathan Baker <jjbaker at panix.com> wrote:
>
>
> According to RD Moshe Sokol, not mikra, but aggadita, is the trigger for
> Derabbanan.
>
> When Debbie gave a siyum on a seder Mishnayos in shul at Shaleshudis,
> she was supposed to say R' Chananya ben Akashya afterwards, before saying
> the long kaddish, until R' Sokol noticed that the mishna itself ended with
> aggadita, obviating R' Chananya.
>
>
>         name: jon baker
>

IIRCe the Magen A raham is  a source for syaing aggada before Kaddish
derabbanan.
Hence:

   1.  the yehi ratzon after RAbbi Yishmael,
   2.  Amar Rabbi hanina before
      1.  bameh madlikin
      2. pittum ketores

[see how structure works?  you can backformat this shita of the Magan Av by
seeing the pattern in the siddur!]

Problem: There is a shul in Teaneck that doesn't bother with this trigger
and I am taken back because this is really imho a minhag shenispashet. Why
would a shul  NOT say an aggadic passage first?  [that ommision triggered me
to look up the Magen Av]

Furthermore, there are shuls that have a D'var torah between minhah and
Arbis and many say a Kaddish Derabbanan and many do not. I find it unusual
to NOT say it before Arbis.Whilst in aveilus for my late Mom OBM I actually
ASKED rabbis  of shuls that do not say  kaddish and they almost make it a
policy NOT to say.  Why?

[BTW  another thread: does bar'chu at arbis require a preceding kaddish?]






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