[Avodah] Minhag Yisroel and Gra on 2 Matzos vs.3 Matzos/Rabbi shopping

[Arie Folger]

On Sunday, 28. October 2007 23.13:07 Chana Luntz wrote:
> Obviously I am understanding the gemora differently from the way you are
> - but I understood the bit about the captors standing at a distance as
> only applying to Shmuel's daughters, and not to the women from
> Neharda'ah.
<SNIP> 
> Does not Tosphos bear this reading out - by making it clear 
> that they are in the category of assur from the time they were
> recognised as captured.

It is hard to remain lurking with such an excellent poster.

Tosafot is very cryptic, merely asking what the purpose of the guards is if 
they were possibly already violated. One does not know under which 
circumstances Shemuel ordered guards. However, Rashi is crystal clear about 
the purpose of the guards.

Perhaps we may resolve our difference by stating that I followed Rashi and you 
Tosafot. ;-)

Regarding your question about how the daughters of Shemuel could have been 
captured by government forces considering that Bavel and EY were at the time 
under different dominions, Nechemia of Beit Deli is quoted in the Mishnah 
(Yevamot 122a) saying that travel between Bavel and EY was dangerous, on 
account of military activity. It smells of border conflicts, though of course 
it could be about frontier lawlessness.

Anyway, I must go back to lurking, sorry,
-- 
Arie Folger
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