[Avodah] Minhag Yisroel Mor on Rav Shachter and Masorah
Zev Sero
zev at sero.name
Thu Oct 18 09:42:59 PDT 2007
Richard Wolpoe wrote:
> #1 Arvis
> OK one day Arivs is a reshus. People do it. Later it becomes a Minhag
> Yisroel.
>
> 1. At what time does it become normative
> 2. is this conversion from optional to normative a Hiddush? A Shinuy?
AIUI it has the status of a neder. Parents have the right to take on
a neder which is binding on themselves and all their descendants, and
somewhere back there our ancestors are deemed to have done so with
ma'ariv. But of course a neder can only impose obligations, not
remove them, and can only forbid the permitted, not permit the forbidden.
> #2 Birkas Kohanim
> OK there are at least 3 positions on saying Birksa kohanim
>
> 1. Every Day
> 2. Every Yom Tov
> 3. Every Yom Tov but NO on Shabbos
>
> What is the Minhag Yisrael? Well there is no such thing. There are at
> least 3 opinions of how to do it!
> What is the Talmudic norm? It is a daily Mitzva!
> Why don't we change this minhag to match the daily hiyyuv? Apparently
> it was tried and it failed. hmmmm
And AIUI it failed spectacularly, with a clear Sign from Heaven that
it should not be done.
> re: #3 - deapite it being a minhag in many congregations, RYBS has
> insisted that it is a minhag ta'us and MSUT be changed. But Mah
> nafashach - HOW is it that position #2 is any superior to position #3
> anyway? If Tradition trumps text than #3 is as equally valid as #2. And
> if Text trumps tradition than #2 is just as flawed as #3.
Sounds like a fair question. How many German communities changed their
practise because of this position of RYBS?
> FWIW, the reason given for no duchening on YT shechal beshabbos has to
> with mikvah and keri. That is why this minhag of no duchening should
> not apply to YK shechal beshabbos since tashmish hamitta is assur anyway .
I heard a different reason: In Germany they used to duchen in special
slippers that they would bring from home, so on Shabbos they didn't
duchen because of gezerat Rabba.
> Yizkor on Yom Tov
> Bishlema Yizkor on YK has a validity - we NEED to daven for the neshamos
> of the departed. But how come we degrade simchas YomTov by being mazkir
> neshamos on YT? The original Cause was nedavos called "matnas yad"
> While Matnas Yad WAS done for the niftarim as well as for the Hayyim,
> there was no concept of hazkaras Neshamos per se. In fact Breuer's only
> added Yizkor when it came to America. Thus we see the OLD Tradition was
> NOT to say it. Is this a Shinuy?
But not a change in halacha. It's like adding or omitting a piyyut;
a very un-Yekke-like thing to do, but at some point such things must
change, or the piyyutim would never have been added in the first place.
> Bakashos on Shabbos and Yom Tov
> The Talmud teaches us NOT To have bakashos on Shabbos and Yom tov for
> personal needs. That is the reason for a shortened Amidah/ Yet the
> prevalent minhag today is to say endless mishebeirachs for all kinds of
> needs on Shabbos and Yom tov> Is this NOT a minhag Ta'us? IN Yekke
> shuls a choleh mishebeirach was ONLY said when a person was close to
> death's door. Otherwise there was no exemption on Shabbos to say
> choleh Mishebeirach. How come Yekkes get this Halahc and Traditiona and
> most everyone else just adds bakashos despite Talmudic prohibitions to
> do so? is this not a shinuy?
Well, not *everyone* else. L does the same. But it would seem once
again that this is not a halacha, but merely a recommended practise
- if it were a halacha then we couldn't say it even for a seriously
ill person, unless we considered it pikuach nefesh mamash. I think
RHS is talking about something that is accepted as actual halacha.
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