[Avodah] "Es Yom HaShmini Ho'Atzeres Hazeh"

[Richard Wolpoe]

On 10/16/07, Micha Berger <micha at aishdas.org> wrote:
>
> Look at Yaaleh veYavo. We use chag hamatzos, yom teru'ah, biblical names
> for the Yamim Tovim.
>
> And so, I would think the proper precedent for Shemini Atzeres is from
> the end of Parashas Pinachas: Uvayom hashemini, atzeres tihyeh lakhem.
> (Comma is representing a zaqeif.) And that would argue for not lumping
> "shemini" and "atzeres" into the same phrase.


Good point!   While WE may use it as a "catch" phrase, this point undermines
the aforementioned Rema's observation!

But the whole question of why Sepharadim don't use Pesach and RH still
> intrigues me. As I said, it sheds light on the whole issue of davening
> in leshon chazal - because here we clearly are speaking in leshon
> Tanakh.
>
> Tir'u baTov!
> -Micha-


Micha seems to be looking for a "common" theory of everything. I am saying
that Lashon Hazal vs.  Lashon Tanach is contextual - And that is about
pattern recognition etc.

So AISI Vatiten Lanu Is tanachi, regardless of  the rest of  the liturgy.
And  indeed Ya'alev v'yavo uses  Biblical Holiday names for the most part -
yom  Hazikkaron is after all quasi Biblical


Tngentiallyre: Ya'ave V'yavo - R. Meir Bar Ilan reportedly posited that this
tefillah was ORIGINALLY about RH [Yom Hazikaron] only and morphed into  a
more generic usage
When you look at the pattern, it sure makes sense! [source: Mitchell First,
esq.]



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