[Avodah] Tea before Shacharis

[Richard Wolpoe]

On 10/14/07, Elazar M. Teitz <remt at juno.com> wrote:
>
> <<I think it's a pretty safe bet that RSZA said Birkas HaTorah prior to
> Tehillim, and if so, then V'haarev Na is *not* enough.
> I wonder why? What do those psukim have that v'haarev lacks? Could it be
> that davening for ruchniyus does not meet the definition of bakasha? I don't
> know...>>
>
> <Perhaps the whole point of tefillah before akhillah is that one ask for
> siyata diShmayah for one's physical needs befrore trying to address them
> oneself? In which case, it would make sense that the baqashah must be closer
> to the subject of food than birkhas haTorah.>
>
>      The reason V'ha'arev does not suffice is that the source is the
> g'mara's statement that " 'Lo so'chlu al hadam' -- lo soch'lu kodem
> shetispal'lu al dimchem."  Obviously, then, it must be a t'filla for the
> physical.
>
>      Thus the pasuk in T'hillim 30 that is relevant is not "Mah betza,"
> but "Sh'ma Hashem v'choneini, Hashem heyei ozeir li."
>
> EMT
>

I The she'iltos on Noach Rav Acha Gaon brings THREE drashos on lo soch'elu
al hadam

   1. don't eat after shechita whilst animal is still alive [related to
   eiver min hachai but slighty different]
   2. Ein mavrin harugei Beis din
   3. R. Akiva - A Beis Din that executes must fast

Point?  Tthat  he omits the case of eating before Tefillah!  AISI, since
Tefilah is Derabbana he must view this usage as asmachta b'alma.NB:  I have
not seen the the  ha'emek she'eilah on this.

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