[Avodah] Shmini Atzeret - why Sukkah YES and Lulav NO?

[Micha Berger]

On Sun, Oct 07, 2007 at 02:00:40PM +0200, Marty Bluke wrote:
: RYBS has a nice explanation of this (printed in the shiurim on Succah
: 47a). He explains that on Shemini Atzeres chazal had a problem with
: Yom Tov Sheni. On all other YT Sheni's they imposed a higher kedusha
: d'rabbanan of Yom Tov on either Chol Hamoed or on a yom chol. The
: Kedushas hayom of Yom Tov is what is mechayev you in the mitzvos...

Is it barur that qedushas hayom is what causes the chiyuv in the
mitzvos? Maybe it's the fact that the day has the chiyuvim which gives
it the qedushah.

I thought YT sheini shel galiyos is a takanah created to preserve the
minhag necessitated by the days when people were really mesupaqim about
the date. Is that about qedushas hayom? Or about keeping alive the
concept of qiddush hachodesh al pi re'iyah?

Frankly, RYBS's assumption sounds more Chassidish than Brisk.

: Shemini Atzeres however, there is already a kedushas hayom of Yom Tov
: d'oraysa of Shemini Atzeres and therefore the chahamim could not
: impose a lower kedusha d'rabbanan of chol hamoed succos...

YT can be chal on Shabbos. We have precedent for lesser qedushah being
added to greater one.


On Thu, Oct 11, 2007 at 01:31:30PM +0000, kennethgmiller at juno.com wrote:
: They could have said to skip the sukkah entirely. Or they could have
: said to even say Leshev. But they compromised, and concluded that Yesuvi
: Yasvinan, Bruchi Lo MeVarchinan (we do sit, but we don't bless).

BTW, for those who are wondering what Chassidim do with this gemara:
The Minchas Elazar renders the gemara "Yasvei yasvinan, berukhi lo
mevrkhinan?" (vowelization and transliteration mine) IOW, "Could it
me that we are expected to sit in the Sukkah, given that we can't make
a berakhah?"

Tir'u baTov!
-Micha

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