[Avodah] Tea before Shacharis

[Micha Berger]

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In v23n213, on Wed, 3 Oct 2007 00:19:09 EDT, RRW <rabbirichwolpoe at gmail.com>
wrote:
: Conuncdrum
: Davening according to most poskim is erabbanan
: DAvening according to a set time is universally derabbana
: Yet a passuk is used to porhibit eating before davening - lo sa'amod al dam
: iirc

Well, it /could/ be an asmachta. Or the source showing the basic value
motivating a derabbban. But, I don't think so. Rather...

: A friend once e-mailed me that  any brach gets past theis d'oraissa
: requirement. how can  this be?

A davar shebiqdushah requires a minyan, via a torturous gezeirah shavah
that the Y-mi and Bavli can't agree on. (But both have a two-step
derashah.)

And yet, Borkhu, Qaddish, Qedushah, etc... are all deRabbanan.

HQBH defined a category, the Chakhamim implemented instances of that
category.

Similarly, Hashem established a priority, and once Shacharis was
mandated, it fell subject to that prioritization.

On Wed, Oct 03, 2007 at 12:56:54PM +0000 (no, I can not explain why this time
is recorded in GMT, but RRW's above is in EDT) RAM <kennethgmiller at juno.com>
wrote:
: I'm not so sure. I think it's a pretty safe bet that RSZA said Birkas
: HaTorah prior to Tehillim, and if so, then V'haarev Na is *not* enough.
: I wonder why? What do those psukim have that v'haarev lacks? Could it
: be that davening for ruchniyus does not meet the definition of bakasha? I
: don't know...

Perhaps the whole point of tefillah before akhillah is that one ask for
siyata diShmayah for one's physical needs befrore trying to address them
oneself? In which case, it would make sense that the baqashah must be
closer to the subject of food than birkhas haTorah.

Tir'u baTov!
-Micha

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