[Avodah] How much Conformity to local Nusach/Mihag is required for Shatz and for the Private Worshiper?

[Micha Berger]

On Thu, October 11, 2007 8:41 am, R Arie Folger wrote:
:> On Tue, Oct 09, 2007 at 04:15:18PM +0200, Arie Folger wrote:
:>: ROY believes that the whole world should use nussa'h 'edot
:>: hamizra'h...

[Me:]
:> The whole world, or "just" EY and the Americas?

:> The way ROY understands minhag hamaqom, the BY and his generation
:> fully established it in EY as being that of Edot haMizrach. I would
:> think -- as modified by Qabbalas haAri, but I don't see ROY say that.
:
: You conflate two issues. Based on the Ari's like for nussa'h 'edot
: hamira'h, he thinks we should all use it. At least, according to the
: story I vaguely recall.

I don't think so, I think there is a miscommunication.

ROY holds that minhag hamaqom was set by Israel's immigrants in the
days of Mequbalei Tzefas and the New World's immigrants of the early
era. And therefore he has reason to say that an Ashkenazi who makes
aliyah should eat qitniyos -- he moved to a new community. The current
state of multiple batei dinim and therefore multiple minhagim is -- to
ROY -- in error, since the 2nd beis din had no permission to establish
a second practice. There already was a minhag hamaqom!

I added as an aside, that if this is ROY's argument, it's the
kabbalistic version of minhag Sepharad that would be Israel's minhag
hamaqom. And yet, I never heard of ROY saying so.

Nothing to do with the Ar"i za"l's own preferences.

SheTir'u baTov!
-micha

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