[Avodah] How much Conformity to local Nusach/Mihag is required for Shatz and for the Private Worshiper?

Michael Poppers MPoppers at kayescholer.com
Sun Oct 7 07:28:30 PDT 2007



In Avodah Digest V23#215, RRW responded to RSHM:
> how LITERALLY do we take this prvaite preparation?  If none of the above
4 added  what's the harm doing one's Minhag Avos instead of Minhag hamakom
[since after all he is not literally prepdaring himself word for
word anyway? <
To answer RRW generally, there is a difference between changing nusach (not
permitted according to RMF, and my personal position re the parameters of
shlichus during our private dialogue) and adding to the nusach (e.g.
prayers for someone's r'fuah shleimah in "Shma koleinu").  To use me as an
example: I grew up w/ different girsaos w/in "Atah chonein" and
"V'lamalshinim" (weekday)/"v'yanuchu" vs. "v'yism'chu" (Shabbos/YT) -- if
I'm the SHaTZ, my private Amidah should reflect the nusach of the tzibbur
for whom I'm the shaliach to ensure that I properly represent the tzibbur
during the public Amidah. (Tangentially, I feel that the shaliach should
faithfully represent the tzibbur and its nusach even during non-public
aspects of the nusach -- as an example, RRW and I were privately discussing
whether a SHaTZ should say all of "Brich Shmei," not just the last line(s)
that is/are sung aloud, when the shaliach for a tzibbur which has BSh as
part of its minhag regardless of his personal belief that BSh shouldn't be
said in a public venue -- but I have no sources for such a feeling other
than those which discuss the parameters of shlichus rather than minhag
hamaqom/"lo sisgod'du.")

(Re this thread, I would like to explore ROY's apparent position [if I
understood RKB correctly and he quoted ROY fully] that a "superior nusach"
overrides the established nusach/minhag of a maqom.  Was he assuming a shul
which didn't have a minhag hamaqom; does he discount or not agree that "lo
sisgod'du" mandates against creating agudos by publicly splitting from
minhag hamaqom; or is something else going on?  Thanks.)

Shavua Tov/Gut Voch and all the best from
--Michael Poppers via RIM pager
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