[Avodah] Yekum Purkan

[Richard Wolpoe]

On Dec 13, 2007 11:50 AM, Micha Berger <micha at aishdas.org> wrote:

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> In any case, this would seem to prove RRW's first point, that Yequm
> Purqan is Israeli.
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Disclaimer I never said that Yekum Purkan was from Israel. I only stated
that Israel used aramaic, too. Au Contraire Reish Galvasa refers to
Babylonians. I am not sure wher the confusion is. I clearly pointed it to
being Babyylonian



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> Which would make it contrary to Agus's theory


Agus Theory or hypothesis is not subject ot yekum purkan.  Agus cannto be
dproven or disp[oven scientifically, All I can say is that countless books
on litrugy prety much say the same thing.   Cairo Geniza fragments have
served to show the accurcay of his findings.

But it is really simple. any school child has learned that the American
ideals were founded upon Rousseu. Montesquieu, Voltaire, etc.  The same
demonstration is obvious for Ashkneaz. Ashknaz latched onto Kallir - a
Judean, and to Meshullan be Kalonymous of Lucca Italy and his family.
Sephardic eshew the piyyutim of both Kallir and the kalonymos family for the
most part.  You need no scientific proof beyond that




> about Ashkenazi practice
> showing more heritage of Israeli mesorah. Not a counter-proof, as I
> still stand by the other part of that post (pending review) that
> Agus's theory is simply unfalsifiable and therefore unscientific.
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> >
> > (Whether or not the theory is in line with actual migration patterns
> > as already known in more solid ways, and thus true anyway.)
> >
> > SheTir'u baTov!
> > -micha
> > --
> > Micha Berger
>
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the pattern is demonstrable.  Ashkenazim use Kallir Sephardim don't.
Dozens;' of clues are in Geniza fragments.  See works on  liturgy such as:
Ta Shma
Elbogen
Max  Arzt
etc.

The Ba'al Hamaor reports that the Talmidim of the Rif altered the Minhag of
Israel away from the earlier practices. Those earlier practices conform to
Kallir.  Rif is both Sephardic and Babylonic for the most part.

But the truth be told, this is not a black and white issue.  E.G. Rashi
seems convinced that his Mesorah is from Bavel over Israel.  E.G. Rashi
opposed a bracha on Hallel on Rosh Chodesh [mahzor Vitri] which matches the
Bablyonian/Sephardic tradition, -while Rabbeinu Tam supports this bracha.



Kol Tuv / Best Regards,
RabbiRichWolpoe at Gmail.com
see: http://nishmablog.blogspot.com/




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