[Avodah] Kedushah

[Micha Berger]

On Mon, Dec 03, 2007 at 10:47:56PM +0100, R Arie Folger wrote:
: Some poster suggested that we therefore stand erect, with feet together for 
: [Unesaneh Tokef], as we would during neqadesh/naqdishakh/na'aritzekha...
: convinced that we would already need to adopt that posture during the first 
: verse, which is, after all, only a summons. The qedushah begins with qadosh, 
: qadosh, qadosh.

When I was ill, I stood from "Qadosh, qadosh, qadosh" through "Yimlokh
H'". It seems to me every davar shebiqdushah involves the concepts of
berakhah and of Hashem's transcendence. E.g. Borkhu es Hashem haMVORAKH
LE'OLAM VA'ED, or Yehei shemei ... MEVORAKH leOLAM. But qedushah's
"barukh ... mimkomo" gets trancendent in kevod H' being above space,
not discussing time. And thus, I didn't want to end Qedushah before
"le'olam, E-lokayikh, Tzion, ledor vador. Hallelu-kah!"

AISI, that's the minimal definition of qedushah -- the three quoted
pesuqim.

My father actually tries to stand feet together the entire chazaras
hashatz, even mussaf YK. (At least he did when I was still living at
home. I don't know if that changed.) That's shitas RCBrisker as taught
by RYBS.

: Note that I left out keter from the above list, as some posters might want to 
: differentiate between the different forms of qedoshah opening verses (but I 
: am not sure that that would be convincing).

Speaking of my father and his RYBS-isms, and of Keser perhaps being
different, I'm reminded of something I heard from my father once and
don't understand. BH he is enjoying a stay in EY, and I will probably
forget to ask by the time we speak again.

RYBS holds that on RCh, if one doesn't have time to take off one's
tefillin for musaf and put them away bekavod, it is better not to take
them off. But only when davening nusakh Ashkenaz. Keser shold not be said
with tefillin on. Some connection between "keser" and tefillin shel rosh
seems obvious, but I don't see how they're in opposition. Could someone
explain?

Tir'u baTov!
-Micha

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