[Avodah] Minhag Yisroel

[Micha Berger]

On Tue, October 30, 2007 6:43 am, Rn Chana Luntz wrote:
:>It did not. First, there is no issur -- the word used is "tiflus".

: Um, I am not sure where you are getting this from.

The mishnah. But even looking at the SA, I explained my diyuq in my
previous email.

(Apologies to all for not noticing that I was holding onto two emails
on the same topic to reply to. Usually I try combining the replies.)

: Now, I struggle to see "tzivu Chazal" as anything but an issur....

I struggle to see why Maran BY wouldn't then say "assur", like he does
tens of thousands of other times. Or gezeirah, or taqanah, or any of
the usual idioms. In the case of an odd turn of phrase that seems to
be a synonym, you're assuming it's synonymous and I'm assuming the
phrase is used bedavka because there is a different connotation. I'm
not sure either of us are working with more than personal assumption,
though.

...
: Yes, you can try and argue that the Rema's dinim shayachim l'sha has
: been broadened by the reality of the modern world - but is is a
: stretch, a big stretch....
: I confess I don't think I have ever seen anything in writing from the
: CC, so I don't know how he justified it, but I would be surprised,
: given the explicit wording of the Shulchan Aruch, if he said anything
: of the kind.  Eis la'asos sounds a fair bit more likely...

I didn't see the CC in writing either. Did he write it?

However, I did hear RYBS speak on the subject of gemara at Stern
college, as well as read a teshuvah by RMMS on the subject. Both took
the CC's rationale as being an extension of the original heter as I
explained -- that with secular education making western thought
attractive, a girl must learn Torah thought to the same depth as part
of that "enough to grow up to be an observant woman".

The line you're drawing is a blurry one, since eis la'asos and
allowing enough education to maximize shemiras hamitzvos really
revolve around the same criterion.

SheTir'u baTov!
-micha

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