[Avodah] Subject: Re: Shabbas he mi lezok

[RallisW at aol.com]

Agreed!  The entire  problem of Bakakshos on Shabbos is IMHO  problematic
And since we do not say a weekday amidah on YT I am curious why  we say Avinu
Malkeinu on RH!

OTOH -  since we say all kinds of  bakachos on YK even when it is on Shabbos,
I am a bit clueless why we OMIT  Avinu Malkeinu when YK is in Shabbos

This is a much broader topic of  course.  I guess I question any bakasha on
Shabbos that is in the 13  weekday Amidah Bakashos. OTOH a bakasha for a
restful or an acceptable  Shabbas [e.g. retzei vimnuchoseinu] seems highly
appropos.

 
I think this just shows how accommodating the rabbonim throughout  the 
generations, have been to the k'lal. 
 
1) Whether it's the recitation of a mishaberach for the sick on  Shabbos and 
Yom Tov, even though not strictly permitted by halochoh unless the  choleh 
might be nifter C"S before the next Monday or Thursday. The  rabbis recognized 
that many people will either not show up for davening during  the week, or 
they'll forget to recite it.
 
2) The recitation of Yizkor on the last days of Yom Tov. How many people  
would attend davening if there were no Yizkor the eighth day of Pesach for  
example? 
 
3) The recitation of kaddish after Oleinu, or the recitation of Oleinu  
itself, after Kiddush Levono [Bris Miloh]. The recital of tehillim just to  follow 
them with a kaddish sometimes to access IMHO [Mizmor  Shir Chanukas HaBayis 
L'Dovid?].   
 
The one exception to this is the accepted recitation of Kaddish D'Rabbonon  
by people who can barely say kaddish. Shouldn't the recitation of that kaddish  
be; a) by the Rav, and b) after "real" learning?






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