[Avodah] lifnei iver/kanaus

[Celejar]

On Thu, 11 Oct 2007 07:00:15 -0400
Micha Berger <micha at aishdas.org> wrote:

> On Mon, Oct 01, 2007 at 01:10:22AM -0400, Richard Wolpoe wrote:
> : The Talmud/SA tells us that we may not hit a child past a certain age [15
> : iirc] because he might hit you back and you would thereby trangress lifnei
> : iver...on an issur of misas beis din no less.
> 
> Might, not probably.
> 
> Think of the gezeirah against blowing shofar on Shabbos. Takanos do not
> require a very high threshold of probability.

I see no indication in the Gemara (MK 17a) or SA that this is a takanah
or gezeira; the gemara's language is that "he has violated lifnei
i'ver". 
> :        Anyone learning "Elu hein Halokin will notice that the way malkus is
> : practiced it is more about shaming, embarrassing, and stimgatizing, then
> : about inflicting physical pain.
> 
> Then why did you need a doctor to check if he could survive the next
> three?

I concur that the gemara clearly indicates that extreme physical pain
was at the very least a realistic possibility.

> Tir'u baTov!
> -Micha
> 
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