[Avodah] Kevius Seudah on PHBK for Sukkah

[Richard Wolpoe]

On 9/30/07, kennethgmiller at juno.com <kennethgmiller at juno.com> wrote:
> Regarding Pas Habaah B'Kisnin (PHBK) in the sukkah, Mishneh Brurah 639:16
> says: "... If he was not kovea seudah, but merely ate more than a kebeitzah,
> there are varying opinions among the acharonim whether he needs to say
> Leshev Basukkah... In order to avoid this safek bracha l'vatalah, he should
> see to it that he doesn't leave immediately after eating, but rather
> sit/stay [lasheves] there for some time [zman mah], and when he says the
> Leshev Basukkah, he should have in mind to cover both the eating and the
> sitting [yeshiva] after it."
..
> So here's my question: Suppose someone would want to grab a quick sandwich
> made of more than a kebaytza of pas, and some sort of filling. His plan is
> to wash netilas yadayim in the house, enter the sukkah, say the proper
> bracho(s), eat the sandwich, say birkas hamazon, and leave immediately. It
> seems to me that there is no more kevius here than in the MB's case. Do any
> poskim discuss whether or not to say Leshev Basukkah in such a case?

I have been bothered my this  2 standards of PHBK for several years
1 for Sukkah and 1 for Hamotzi. I have found it to be inconsistent. I
believed I even blogged on this.

I spoke to Rav Yaakov Posen [Author Kitzur Hilchos Shabbos] and he agreed
with the proposition that there are 2 criteria

I spoke to Rabbi Chait [sp?] of Far Rockaway during sahbbos Shuva on
this very matter. he gave me an in-depth explanation that finally made
sense to me

I also spoke to Rabbi Dr. E. kanarfogel the other day on this. He also
made a Chilkuk somewhat like Rav Posen but actualyl elaborated on waht
the chiluk was.

I am planning to post this in a series on intriguing MB's on the Nishma
blog. I actually spoke on thisduring the summer but I am stil researching
the matter.

My big ta'anah on the MB is that he did nto spell this out befeirush
that there are TWO criteria nd the dynamics and parameters of how/why
they differ. Aftera ll if you are "berura" you don't leave this to
lamdus of rabbanim, you spell it out for the average ba'al habayis so
that it is really a clear distincion.

I do not have the time right now to go into detail about Rabbi Chait's
answer, but it involves several sources I have not seen - viz a Rambam
and a Tosafos

Gmar Tov
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