[Avodah] Shofar and guf naki

[Richard Wolpoe]

On 9/21/07, Dov Kay <dov_kay at hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
>
> <<I'm not 100% sure but I would suspect that the GRA would say to say
> Birkas
> Hatorah ASAP in the morning after Netillas Yadayim etc.  A lot of siddurim
> these days have
> Yadayim
> Asher Yatzar
> E.lopkai Hnesham
> & Birkkas  Hatorah
> as the first thing in the morning. I figure it is al pi the GRA>>
>
> I don't think so, because the Siddur HaGra and the Siddur Ezor Eliyahu,
> which is fairly authoritative as far as the minhagei GRA are concerned,
> put
> birchos haTorah after birchos hashachar and immediately before korbonos,
> which makes the most sense, because it puts mikra, mishna and gemara (ie
> parshas Tamid, Eizehu mekoman and Rabbi Yishmael) straight after the
> birchos
> haTorah.  I believe that this is also old minhag Ashkenaz.  I think the
> Chabad Tehilllas HaShem also follows this order, but could be wrong there.
>
> You may be correct, however, that the rationale for the common custom
> nowadays is the concern any p'sukim or asiyas mitzvos prior to birchos
> haTorah is inappropriate.
>
> G'mar tov
> Dov Kay
>
>
I am aware of theSiddur Hagra.
It is IMHO completely inconsistent with the GRA's own shita.

E.G. Do yo say Mah Tovu going intno shul or not?
According to these 2 models the ONLY possible resolution is to say all of
karbanos etc. BEFORE entering shul.

Rema holods that Mah Topva is a Techina. So it  -and any Tehilim MAY be said
BEFORE Birkas HaTorah

The GRA would have a problem with E.G. Hanosein Laya'eif Koach as a quote
from a Passuk!

Also saying Shema after Ashreinu mah tov chlkeinu fails the GRA test.

Breuer's al pi Hatur has Birkas Hatorah AFTER this Shema. It is also IMHO
highly problematic if you follow R. Yehuda Hachsid's take on saying Barcu
hSehm levod Malchus or if you follow Meharshal and say first paragraph
i.ev'ahavto].

But the other p'sukkim can be written off as techinos
Since Breuer's techincally puts on Tefillin after karbanos, Therefore the
"Kadesh li" etc. is NOT a problem - although they don't say it anyway.

If you put on Tefillin and say Kadesh Li before Birkas Hatorah you have a
real problem. Is this to be construed as Techina? I doubt the Rema would say
yes.  But the Artscroll has it there anyway

BEH after yamim tovim I will start posting Hassagos on Nusach hatefilalh in
general  and point out countless inconsistencies, most minor some major.

The Advantage of Heidnhheim, Ya'avetz and Birnbabum is that ONE person sat
down and compiled a consistent set of litrugy.  The GRA's minhaggim were
probably never written by the GRA and present a whole range of attributions
to the GRA that  IMHO are contradictory.  R. Chayim Volozhiner finds 2 in
his  haskama to Ma'aseh Rav, one of them is ZECHER and his hassaga goes
ignored anyway in many circles.

So I am NOT accuing the GRA of being inconsistent, but I frnakly tend to
discount all kinds of thing ATRIBUTED to the GRA because they conflict other
things attributed to him.

Example.,What is the GRA's official position re:  SHMA as divrei Torah or
not legabie Birkas Hatorah?

   - GRA #1 it is and you MSUT say the Birkas Hatorah FIRST before Shema
   or else
   - GRA #2 it is NOT and if you say Shema during its zeman your birkas
   Ahahava Rabba will not anc cannot substitute for Birkas Hatorah unless you
   learn OTHER Torah, the Shema is not enough to be yotzei!

So I take things said in the name of the GRA with a grain of salt. I assuem
the Bei/'ur hagra on Birkas Hatorah is more authoritative of the GRA's
position than the Ma'aseh Rav or the Siddur HaGra, but that is just my
assumption. Why?  Because I find the Ma'seh Harav really problematic on some
items; whilst the Bei'ur haGRA seems better documented.

But then again the Shulchan Aruch Hara argues with the Siddur  of the Alter
Rebe and the Siddur is more authoritative in Chabad circles as Basrai. But
since I am a misnagged, I hold MORE from the Rav's SA  then his Siddur since
I do not do Minhag Chabad anyway, and his SA is  based upon Magen Avraham
etc.

Likewise perhaps those who do not follow Minhag GhGRA like the Bei'ur better
[e.g. I] and those who follow his Minhag follow the Siddur and the Ma'aseh
Rav.




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