[Avodah] Selichos - Especially before Midnight

[Michael Poppers]

In Avodah Digest V23#196, RAF replied to RRW:
>> As we know, the first night MIGHT be a valid exception in that pizmon -
even for yekkes - starts "Bemotzo'ei Menuchei" - suggesting ?A Saturday
Night start. ?[nevertheless as noted - Yekkes do it before dawn even on the
first Sunday...] <<
> Yes, it says bemotzaei menuchah, but it also mentions: "retzeh 'atiratam
be'amedam baleilot". Clearly this stuff was composed for early mornings. <
Perhaps that "amidah" refers to a Tiqqun Chatzos type (and timing)?

That pizmon is labeled Daled in my Roedelheim-print "haS'lichos l'Chol
haShanah" book (living in a minhag-Lita community, I haven't opened it in
some time :-)).  The previous s'lichah, labeled Gimel, is "Tavo L'fanecha
Shav'as Chinun" (I don't recall whether or when it's said in minhag Lita)
has phraseology which might be a stronger proof for its (and all s'lichos
l'Yom Rishon) being said closer to morning than to chatzos halaylah: "hayom
k'meiaz b'li sibbah/hin'nu l'fanecha b'ashmah rabbah."

G'mar tov and all the best from
--Michael Poppers via RIM pager
-------------- next part --------------
An HTML attachment was scrubbed...
URL: <http://lists.aishdas.org/pipermail/avodah-aishdas.org/attachments/20070917/c4c9b8ef/attachment-0001.htm>