[Avodah] intuition in halacha

Eli Turkel eliturkel at gmail.com
Tue Sep 4 12:15:10 PDT 2007


<I argued was the real basis for banning electricity on Shabbos. There is
more consensus that it simply doesn't intuitively fit the idea of
Shabbos than figuring out the mechanics of the issur.>

<R' Asher Weiss based on the Yerushalmi says that this is what chazal did
in general on w/r/t shabbat - anything that they felt s/b asser went
into makeh bpatish.>

I am now thoroughly confused are we taking about a de0raisa, derabban or
less
than that.  According to R. Asher Weiss did they classify things as from the
Torah
based on their intuition? Even according to Micha the mechanics determine
the
level of the issur. This is most important with regard to modern (non heat)
appliances.

According to the way i understand RSZA electricity is prohibited on shabbat
mainly as
being inappropriate. According to CI it is boneh (others as molid).  Things
make a big
difference when we talk about more devices like LED, wireless etc. Does one
analyze
each device and decide does it fit into one of the categories or is there a
general
"intuition" that prohibits everything independent of the details.
This is less of a problem under ordinary situations in which most of us
would feel any
electrical device is not "shabbosdik". It is more of a problem in places
like hotels
with electronic keys and LED lights and possibly electronic/automatic lights
and toilets,
electronic detection devices etc.
If it is a real Torah obligation then one has to struggle to hobble together
(if possible)
various heterim. If it is rabbinic then two derabbanans in a place of a
mitzva (oneg shabbat)
can be used to use electronic devices in an unusual manner. If it is only
"intuition" maybe
even that is not needed.
R. Wosner uses a similar argument to allow walking somewhere where one might
set
off a detetction device as long as it is not of use to him.

-- 
Eli Turkel
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