[Avodah] Shofar and guf naki

[Richard Wolpoe]

On 9/21/07, Michael Poppers <MPoppers at kayescholer.com> wrote:
>
> In Avodah Digest V23#201, RDK responded to RRW:
> > the Siddur HaGra and the Siddur Ezor Eliyahu, which is fairly
> authoritative as far as the minhagei GRA are concerned, put
> birchos haTorah after birchos hashachar and immediately before korbonos,
> which makes the most sense, because it puts mikra, mishna and gemara (ie
> parshas Tamid, Eizehu mekoman and Rabbi Yishmael) straight after the birchos
> haTorah. I believe that this is also old minhag Ashkenaz.... <
> I believe that RDK is correct on that last point. (I can't speak, however,
> for what the GRA advocated.)
>
> G'mar tov and all the best from
> --Michael Poppers via RIM pager
>
Correct this is the  format works for Tur and is essentially the form done
in KAJ
As far as I can tell {AFAICT}  This contrdicts the GRA who is makpid EVEN on
hirhurrim {se Gil Steudent about Hirhurei Torah!}

Another example, Rema specifically exempts Selichos from Birkas hatorah. How
can that possibly work for GRA!  You are saying Hashem Hashem over and over

The Rema relis on any passuk that is in TECHINA form is OK
Therefore KAJ says TEhillim before DAvening EVERY day
Rema exmpts mah Tovu for same reason

Regardless of the Tur model or others, we all do Mikra Mishna Braisso after
Birkas hatorah with Birkas Kohanim and the 2 elus...' Then this same pattern
is repeated in Karbanos

Rinat Yisrael does GRA siddur one better.  Moderh ani IMMEDIATELY followed
AT HOME w/ al netilas Yadayim etc. and Birkas Hatorah. AISI, they do NOT buy
the GRA's shitata in the Siddur but rather in the Bei'ur and accomodate an
early immediate Birkas Hatorah. Rinat being proudced In Israel lich'ora
follows the GRA on this point. Rema is NOT makpid on this

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