[Avodah] Bishul achar shelo bederekh bishul

[kennethgmiller at juno.com]

R' Micha Berger wrote:
> I made a cup of tea on shabbos, green tea so it certainly
> started out raw, so I did so in a "keli shelishi". (There
> is no concept of keli shelishi, I mean I avoided irui keli
> rishon.) Now I wanted to make a second cup using the same
> leaves. Would it have been okay to rely on ein bishul achar
> bishul, or do we saw that the first lo kederekh bishul means
> that this is the first bishul?

>From where did you get the phrase and concept of "shelo bederekh bishul"? If you made the first cup of tea in a manner you consider to be mutar, then the leaves were not cooked at all, and are still halachically raw.

If the water changed color, Rav Moshe Feinstein says that this proves nothing, since the tea leaves would have changed the water's color even if the water was cold; that the color change occurs more quickly if the water is warm, and even more quickly if the water is very warm, still proves nothing.

Akiva Miller