[Avodah] "Daas baalei batim hepech daas torah" ?? Who says?

SBA sba at sba2.com
Sun Jul 8 20:04:17 PDT 2007


From: mkopinsky at gmail.com

, > From: Zev Sero <>
> The SME says "daas baalei batim hepech daas torah".  I think that's
> the earliest usage, and it certainly predates the modern slogan.

>SBA <sba at sba2.com> wrote:
> That's what we are always told. When I asked to be shown, it wasn't
> exactly that, IIRC.
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Does anyone know why the Bar Ilan CD (at least, as of v.13) doesn't
have the SMA?  The only thing I could find was a recent shu"t sefer
(Chelkas Yaakov) saying "v'kayadua divrei haSma b'choshen mishpat d'daas
baalei batim hefech midaas torah."   (This was in a halachic context, not
hashkafic/societal.)  There was no footnote saying where this SMA is.
>>

BH I didn't misremember...I looked it up again today.

The SMA is in ChM:3 sk 13, vezeh leshonoy:

"...BeTeshuvas Maharyo (Mahari Weil)..kosav leMaharash z'l 'v'im tishma 
le'atzosi lo seshev eitzel hakohol beshum din deyodato shePiskei Habaalei 
Batim upiskei halomdim hem shnei hafeichim..." (also mentioned there 
in Nesivos Hamishpot).

Thus, Rabosay, LAD, this whole business of "daas baalei batim hepech 
daas Torah" is 'nisht geshtoygen un nisht gefloygen'.

The SMA is talking about "piskei" = Psak Halocho, where of course baalei 
batim often don't have a clue.   
But "Daas"? Man dechar shemei??

SBA 




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