[Avodah] Meat that is NOT Fleishig? Non Terief Cows for Milk - Why Not BP Cows?

[Dr. Josh Backon]

At 08:34 PM 5/11/2007, Meir Rabi wrote:
>Shalom Josh,
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>I believe I have seen that earlier post of yours in my scoutings.
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>The Rabbanut of Jm suggested that the herd be protected by the army and high
>tech surveillance equipment.  I think the island idea is a better option.

Only a deserted island in the South Pacific guarded by navy patrol boats
would ensure the impossibility of bringing "normal" cows and mating them
with the progeny of a Ben and Bat Pekuah. I can see the lone mashgiach there
singing, "Some enchanted evening" and building 2 shuls: the one he'll attend
and the other (spitting in disgust) he'll NEVER step foot into :-)



>Who suggests that the meat is not fleishig?


L'chuli alma lo pligi: everyone says the meat isn't fleishig [though there
is an issur of dam !].


>The prohibition of Chazal was not absolute, not every BP requires Shechitah.
>In fact the Gaonim were at pains to ensure that this tradition not be
>forgotten and would thus take BP to public functions, kill them and feed the
>masses.

Fascinating!  Do you have a source ???? This was actually done??


>meir


KT

Josh





>-----Original Message-----
>From: Dr. Josh Backon [mailto:backon at vms.huji.ac.il]
>Sent: Thursday, 10 May 2007 1:16 PM
>To: avodah at lists.aishdas.org
>Cc: meirabi at optusnet.com.au; JRich at sibson.com
>Subject: Non Terief Cows for Milk - Why Not BP Cows? Even Better.
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> >There is an additional benefit. The Acharonim argue about the status of a
> >Ben Pekuah's milk; is it Chalav Shechuta and therefore Pareve or is it
> >Chalav of a "mother", an Eim (as in Lo SeVuShel BeChalav Imo) and therefore
> >"normal" milk? At least the ShaAr HaMelech and R Akiva Eiger consider BP
> >milk to be pareve.
> >
> >I believe that Rabbi Moshe Heinemann was once toying with the notion of
> >setting up a Ben Pekuah Kosher herd for meat production. Has anyone heard
>of
> >such a thing?
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>This could be done only on a deserted island where there is NO
>possibility whatsoever
>of mating a Ben Pekuah herd with "normal" cows [see Aruch haShulchan YD 13
>#12
>"oto ha'vlad ein la takana b'shechita "  and Aruch haShulchan YD 13 # 15]
>
>[From a post I had on this topic on another group]
>
>Re: mixing meat of a Ben Pekuah with milk:
>
>a) "tzarich iyun" (needs further examination) [R. Akiva Eiger]
>b) Only due to SAFEK (doubt) may it be forbidden (Meshivat Nefesh YD]
>c) Nodah B'Yehuda: prohibited
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>Although according to Torah law this animal when grown
>doesn't require shechita (Yoreh Deah 13:2) Chazal prohibited this
>and even in the case of mating a male *ben pekuah* with a female *ben
>[bat] pekuah* (YD 13:4) the offspring of which wouldn't have the halachic
>category of meat according to Toraitic law.
>
>BTW a more intriguing possibility would be a *ben pekuah* found in a
>*chaya* (deer, or other kosher wild animal YD 87:3). Eating a CHAYA with
>milk is only a rabbinic prohibition. But if one could mate a male ben
>pekuah of a chaya with a female ben (bat) pekuah of a chaya, the offspring
>wouldn't even be prohibited rabbinically (as meat) especially if this
>"meat" were then fried in butter made from deer milk and cooked by solar
>heat.
>
>But kids, don't do this at home :-)
>KT
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>Josh
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