[Avodah] Yeshivishe Peyos

[Micha Berger]

On Sun, June 10, 2007 2:28 am, mkopinsky at gmail.com wrote:
: Having a pretty case for an esrog or megilla shows chibuv mitzvah.  Is
: there an element of chibuv for lavim? ...
: Where does the halachic literature talk about noi mitzvah?  Is there
: any precedent of noi mitzvah for lavim? ...

As a non halachic source, see peirushim on "zeh keili ve'anveihu".

If you accept chibuv mitzvah as a halachic concept and noi (like the
fancy case), is a demonstration of chibuv, I don't know why you would
suggest the idea is only aggadic.

But no, I don't know of one. Never thought to look -- people throw
around the term to the point that I never questioned it.

But I just noticed this diyuq in a post sent on Sun, June 10, 2007
1:58am, by R Danny Schoemann:
: The phrase "lo siga bo yad" seems to have been coined by the Beis
: Yosef - and there he clearly means as you say it does - not to narrow
: the width of the Payes.

He didn't coin the phrase, the BY *borrowed* it. From ma'amad har Sinai.

Is it intentional that the BY is implicitly comparing peiyos to har
Sinai during the revelation? If so... that's serious chibuv mitzvah
for our lav.

On Mon, June 11, 2007 8:45 am, RAM <kennethgmiller at juno.com> wrote:
: Perhaps the following will illustrate the idea of chibuv for lavin:
: Rashi, Vayikra 20:26: Rabbi Elazar ben Azaryah says, "... One should
: not say 'I am disgusted by pork' or 'I don't like wearing shaatnez'.
: Rather, he should say, 'I *DO* want it, but what can I do? My Father
: in Heaven decreed for me not to.'"

This is a famous topic in the Rambam, discussed in contrast to RYS's
vision of bringing one's desires in line with the Borei's. In that
context, it's not so much associated with lavin as with mitzvos
shim'iyos. Thus, one would similarly say for an asei that's a choq, "I
have no desire to ... but Hashem decreed I should."

However, if the mitzvah is sichlis, then the Rambam may or may not
promote a similar attitude, whereas RYS would say the idea is to
desire whatever it is the mitzvah is aiming for.

Tir'u baTov!
-mi

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