[Avodah] yishuv EY

[SBA]

From: Eli Turkel

SBA:
For a start you could try studying the Vayoel Moshe, 'Maamar Yishuv EY'
where it is thoroughly discussed and explained (in just under 200 pages)
quoting 100s of sources from Chazal, Rishonim and Achronim.>>
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In spite of SBA, Satmar is not mainstream psak.
>>

Mainstream, shmainstream, looking inside the Vayoel Moshe
(pages 236-242) it is quite obvious that this has nothing to do with the
Rebbe's personal psak.

Amongst others it cites the Ramban (one of the main sources for of Mitzvas
Yishuv EY bizman hazeh) on 'Vatitma Haaretz" (end of Parshas Achrei) and in
Parshas Vayera on 'Vaneida osom', that sinning in EY is far, far worse than
doing so in Chu'L.

The VM here (and elsewhere) also discusses (amidst some pilpul on the views
of the Avnei Nezer) the words of Rav Zeira (Brochos 57) who said that he
would not move to EY until he is shown a sign from heaven (via a dream) that
he is free of sin.

Another source, the Kolbo - beshem Teshuvas Maharam - after highly praising
going to EY, adds "...ubilvad sheyeh porush venizhar mikol avon, umekayem
kol hamitzvos...she'im yechto ye'onesh yoser me'im yechteh
beChu''L...ve'eino
domeh mored bemalchus bepaltin lemored chutz lepaltin, vehu eretz ocheles
yoshveho.....Ve'oson..hanohagim..kalus rosh..koreh ani aleihem vatovo'u
vetetamu es artzi mi bikesh zos miyedchem remos chatzeray..  Avol mi
sheholech lehisnaheg bikedusha uvetahara ein ketz lis'choroy..."

Sefer Charedim (going by the Ramban's shitta that every minute that one is
in EY, he is being mekayem a mitzva): "..haboim l'EY...umordim uposhim
umarbim bemishta'os shel seudos mereus..aleihem hakosuv omer vatovou
vetetamu es artzi venachlosi samtem leto'evah...acharei mosom yegorshum
chutza kak'lovim.. (Ayen Pirkei deR'Elozor 34) ...

The VM adds to this that the Charedim is not even referring to serious
aveiros eg. Chilul Shabbos or Ochlei Treifos, but  of people out to have a
'good time' (seudos mereus) - something which VM shows can at times be
considered a good thing (ayen shom rayosov). But obviously overdoing it
and/or when it brings to bitul Torah and 'bederech s'chok vekalos rosh' is
enough for the Chareidim to call it an aveirah and describe it as 'mordim
uposhim beheichal haMelech'.

Further the VM cites the Sheloh and Maharit (both of whom hold as per the
Ramban) having similar views re sinning in EY.

There is more there for those interested - from additional 'mainstream'
poskim.

>>Try R. Tzvi Yehuda Kook for a different perspective.

Huh?
He has sources saying that baalei aveireh SHOULD be oleh to EY?

>>On a different topic a son of my friend learns in Yeshivat Har Hamor which
is considered a very right wing DL yeshiva. He said that though very strict
in halacha that were insistent on using heter mechira because that
was the psak of R. Kook.  Of course Vayoel Moshe would not agree -)
>>

Of course.  And AFAIK, neither would R. Kook.
(And I doubt that up there, in the Olom HaEmes, he appreciates such 'kavod'.
Aderaba, I would think he would like to say to them that he is 'moychel
tovos'..)

His hetter was never a lekatchilah but rather because of the situation in EY
at that time (and as the Rabbanut harashit actually mention in their
advertisements before each Shemitta. They - who mostly do not personally
touch HM produce - add the claim that the Israeli economic situation this
shemitta is still not good enough..)

But I have no doubt that R. Kook (at least senior) would have long ago
discarded the HM after, a)  the existence of his yearned-for 'aschalta
degeula' state for over half a century,  and
b) having seen how thousands of Jews are these days quite comfortably
surviving Shemita after Shemita without resorting to the HM.

SBA