[Avodah] otzar bet din

Eli Turkel eliturkel at gmail.com
Fri May 18 04:19:02 PDT 2007


With all that, I don't see why Otzar BD couldn't fulfill all of this, and
therefore I'm skeptical of the claim that the Badatz doesn't use OB. If it's
true, it would behoove those who feel it's wrong to attempt getting their
POV, as I'm sure they have one as well>>

Just to be clear the modern otzar bet din is a major chidush of the CI
(the ancient one worked differently). Basically the Badatz does not
hold of this chiddush. As I also mentioned even in terms of fruits which are
less of a problem the Badatz does not want fruits with kedushat sheviit and
so import or their fruits also.

BTW the Badatz also has a kulah since they do hold that a nonJew uproots the
sanctity of the land and so nonJewish produce within
EY is free from kedushat sheviit (this is also the basis of the heter
mechira which Badatz doesnt accept but for other reasons).
Since CI accepted the other shittah that nonJewish produce does have
kedushat sheviit each side has a chumrah& kulah that the other doesn't.

In fact it means that products from the Badatz are actually kedushat sheviit
according to the CI. There was a nasty fight the last few shemittah years
because the Badatz doesnt indicate on their cans of packaged vegetables the
year they come from. Hence someone in Bnei Brak who buys a can of potatos
(for example) with a Badatz hechser might possibly have to treat it with
kedushat sheviit even a few years after shemitta.
Badatz as a shitta does not indicate anything on their lables that might
indicate a kulah. Hence they refused to label which cans came from NonJewish
but shemitta products. I think in the end they gave out some codes on labels
that would indicate the origin for those knowledgable. They have a similar
fight with ROY because they refuse to say on their wines and grape juices
which are too diluted for Sephardom to use. Therefore ROY had probited all
eda charedit wines and grape juices unless one knows for sure that they are
not diluted with water.

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Eli Turkel
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