[Avodah] Talmud Torah

[Micha Berger]

On Wed, February 28, 2007 9:52 am, Meir Shinnar wrote:
: No.  mikra is text of tanach, mishna refers to rabbinic texts - and
: gmara refers to thinking and analysis  about the texts and issues
: they raise - not to the text of gmara.   (Most daf yomi shiurim fall
: more under the rambam's definition of mishna)-.Gmara therefore
: includes philosophy, aggadta (at least the meaning of aggadta),
: mussar..remember that ma'aseh breshit is physics, and ma'aseh merkava
: is metaphyics - and both are part of talmud tora;

I agree with your parenthetic about beqi'us study of Talmud Bavli, but wonder
why you limit is only to "most daf yomi shiurim". I would set a much higher
bar for gemara.

However, I was recalling the Rambam in 1:11 which is pretty clear that gemara
is the origins of halakhah "heiyach yotzi ha'assur vehamutar ukeyotzei vahen
midevarim shelamad" in particular.

But then he's very clear in 1:12 that "ha'inyanim haniqraim PARDES bikhlal
hatalmud". Leaving me very confused. Similarly 1:12 places "divrei qabalah,
bichlal TSBK hein", and only peirushan is TSBP. The second description would
have facts as TSBK, their explanation as TSBP, and everything I personally
deduce from them in any domain is talmud.

Totally confusing. I don't see how the two halakhos describe the same thing.
Help!

Tir'u baTov!
-mi

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