[Avodah] Bizmaneihem

[Micha Berger]

On Sun, March 4, 2007 9:09 pm, Jonathan Baker wrote:
[Me, a/k/a mi:]
:>>Except that derashah is only for chumash, not kesuvim.

[RZSero:]
:> ?  Who says we don't darshen kesuvim?

[RJJB:]
: And it's the Gemara that darshens bizmaneihim.  Zman-zmanam-zmaneihem is
: explicitly the drash for saying we can lein Megillah on several different
: days.  It's on the first page of the Gemara, attributed to Rabbi Akiva.
: You can say it's just an asmachta, since the whole of Purim is Rabbinic,
: still, it's treated as a drasha in the Gemara.
: It turns out not to be necessary, but it's a legitimate drasha.

If it's an asmachta, then it's not what I meant by "derashah".

I took it for granted that derashah is tied to the Torah being dictated as
opposed to the less precise transmition of Nakh. But thinking about it, I have
no reason for that. Instead, it could be a side-effect of the deOraisa nature
of chumash.

The mitzvos of Purim are unique in being both non-deOraisa and written up in
Tanakh. So maybe this pasuq is a unique case for derashah.

Usually, derashah in the sense of middos shehaTorah nidreshes bahem are
applied to chumash. They can only be applied to chumash since only chumash can
be a true maqor for a deOraisa. Yes, there are what seems to be
counterexamples in shas, but they are farenfered as asmachtos, or as
historical evidence rather than scriptural source, etc...

So the question is whether divrei Soferim and derashah mesh, and the answer
may be a one-off of our case. The nafqa minah would be whether the conclusion
is also divrei soferim (derashah) or or derabbanan (asmachta).

Tir'u baTov!
-mi

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