[Avodah] Eilu v'eilu and mistakes
Daniel Israel
dmi1 at hushmail.com
Thu Feb 22 15:00:16 PST 2007
This is _not_ an attempt to re-open any recurring debates. But my
chavrusah and I had an interesting discussion and I'd like the
chevra's input.
The basic question that we raised was whether in a machlokes
rishonim we can say that sometimes one side is wrong, or whether we
have to say all rishonim are right, even when they are arguing.
The discussion then drifted to what lies between eilu v'eilu, and
one side being right and the other wrong.
Which leads to these specific questions:
1) We see ev"e explicitly applied to Tannaim. While the term is
used on this list often enough in the context of contemporary
issues, do we have a clear source which indicates that it remains
applicable in the same sense as in the Mishna? (The sense that I
understand it is that the totality of Torah can't be expressed in
human terms by a single opinon, and both sides in an ev"e represent
an aspect of Torah.)
IOW, when contemporary poskim disagree on the correct bracha on
rice cakes, is this ev"e? If so, must we say it is just a
reflection of a machlokes already implicit in the Tannaim? Or can
it be a "chidush"? And if there are no "new" cases of ev"e, when
was the cutoff?
2) I've occasionally seen achronim suggesting certain other
achronim were actually wrong. The examples I can think of involve
claims that a certain achron was missing a certain source, or
relying on an incorrect girsa. But perhaps there are example is
which one achron argues that another has incorrect s'vara as well.
(I'm not talking about contemporary issues which are, so to speak,
still being adjudacted by the poskim.) My question is, is there a
cutoff date before which we do not say that one side may be wrong?
IOW, in a machlokes Rashi and Tosfos, for example, is it possible
that one side is actually incorrect (even if we are not able to say
who)?
3) Finally, does anyone want to propose an intermediate position?
That is, are there some arguements which are not ev"e, but neither
side is "wrong." My chavrusa proposed something along the lines of
"they are doing different things," but it didn't sit well with me.
Any thoughts?
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Daniel M. Israel
dmi1 at cornell.edu
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