[Avodah] [Areivim] URL: article about halachic

[Chana Luntz]

> On Tue, December 19, 2006 10:33 am, Iwrote:
> :                                          .... "we generally seem to
> : hold" that in fact IVF etc is a fulfilment of the mitzvah
> of pru u'rvu - as can be seen by the responses on this list suggesting

> that with the  existence of IVF, artificial insemination etc, there is
no 
> need to mess around with the shiva nekiim...
> 
> I do not know if that claim was made on this list. The
> nearest I recall was my asking whether precedent set before 
> AIH was an option would still apply. I did not intend my "I 
> don't know if" to be taken as an assertion that the pesaqim 
> that permitted shaving down the 7 neqi'im definidently didn't 
> apply and that the heter could not be invoked in favor of AIH.
> 
> Not did I notice anyone answering this question with a more
> recent (post AIH) teshuvah.
> 
> So, as far as I know, the people hear are mesupaqim, not
> assuming anything of the sort.
> 

The proof that people are accepting this position comes from the
acceptance that IVF is an acceptable option (something I don't think
anybody on the list questioned, and something that I don't think our
society questions anymore, given the numbers trying IVF).  If you hold
that IVF does not result in the fulfilment of the mitzvah of pru u'rvu
then you are on dubious halachic grounds for trying it in any
circumstance - it involves dangers to the wife, issurim for the husband
etc etc.  Certainly your post referring to IVF was not along the lines
of "well if you hold that IVF is permitted then ..." - it took the line
"given the existence of IVF..." ie assuming IVF's halachic validity and
then wondering if it was better or worse to utilise IVF than heterim vis
a vis the shiva nekiim.  Not that I think this is wrong - I think we as
a society have poskened this way - and certainly Rav Moshe clearly holds
this way.  But it is not as axiomatic as all that.

> Tir'u baTov!
> -mi

Regards

Chana