[Avodah] Chazarta Hashas

[Rich, Joel]

RJR responded:
> Yes- In which he prohibits it - but differentiates between if 10 
> aren't listening (there it's mdina) versus if 10 are listening (then 
> can't do since others may learn from you and not answer amen). So 
> again - any sources that say it is OK? If not, why do we see people 
> doing it and not being corrected?

Look at that Igros Moshe again (especially the last eight lines). 
You've quoted only the Magen Avraham's understanding of the Sefer Vavei
Haamudim, and missed the Magen Avraham's understanding of the Teshuvos
Mem Ayin. (BTW, does anyone know what the name of that sefer is, i.e.,
what Mem Ayin stands for?) (Also, for the benefit of those without
access to Igros Moshe, he is focusing on Magen Avraham 124:8.)

My translation of Igros Moshe there: "We're forced to say that the
Teshuvas Mem Ayin is only when there are ten [others] paying attention
to the shliach tzibur: He holds not to correct such people, even though
they're not acting properly..."

So there's at least one opinion who explains "why we see people doing it
and not being corrected."

Akiva Miller


I'm just looking at the last line - my loose translation - Thus it is
forbidden to learn during chazarat hashatz in any manner, there is
strict law and there is the reason of the Magen Avraham. So are you
saying that everyone is relying on what seems to be a clearly rejected
opinion which at best says we don't stop them (again is there anyone who
says it is OK to do?)
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