[Avodah] zman hadloko erev shabbos and motzei shabbos

[A & C Walters]

There is much dispute as to when is the correct time to light Chanuke licht 
Friday evening and Mot"Sh. Mot"Sh is the smaller of the problems, because we 
can be someich on the RaM"A and can light later than the zman. The Brisker 
Rov ztvk"l claims that the zman hadloko mot"sh is different to the rest of 
the week, and those who are noheg "shtot zman" should light then, R"T, for 
them it is their zman", an achtel, a sechxtel etc. (He himself would 
normally take out Shabbos very late, but Mo"S Chanuka he davened by the 
achtel, and lit by the sechxtl - he had his daughter light the match and the 
shamash; he only lit the actual candles of the mitzveh). Either way, it is 
not too problematic. Those, however who follow the Gr"o (who is cholek on 
R"T and Royv Rishonim) should nevertheless be careful to know that gimel 
kochovim is required lekula almeh (this azoro is from the Ch"C in BH"l). I 
remember one year walking to Mincha one shabbos Chanuka and looking at the 
freshly lit menoyros as I passed)

The bigger problem is Friday night. According to Halocho, the zman (at least 
on Friday) is from Plag HaMincha. This is an hour and a quarter (75 minutes) 
before Tteis. (According to the Levush, before shkia). For those who hold 
R"T l'iker hadin, it means that plag is only 3 minutes before shkia (as the 
BH"l points out Reis Samech Alef, beinyan tosefes shabes). For those who are 
also choshesh the yerayim lechumra (who hold that 13.5 minutes before shkia 
is BH"S and shkia is vadei leila) there is of course a problem. (by the way, 
why isn't there the same problem every Friday night of shabbos licht which 
also cannot be lit before plag, the teretz is we can be somech on R' Akiva 
Eiger (brought down by SH"Z) that by shabbos, plag is a simon that you are 
lighting for shabos and not for yourself; since everyone lights that time, 
it is clear why you are lighting and it is ok even before plag. This does 
not apply to chanuka licht where plag is the iker zman, not just a somon 
be'alme)

One eitzeh is to light 15 minutes before the shkia and to be somech on the 
levush, that means 75 minutes before 58.5 (zman bh"s lfi R"T) is 16.5 
minutes before shkia. Therefore lighting between 16.5 minutes before shkia 
and 13.5 minutes before shkia fits in beautifully. However, if you start 
being choshes shiur mil at longer than 18 mins (eg 24 mins) than 3/4 mil - 
18 mins, and you have again a problem.

The truth is, we don't pasken like the Yeraim, whereas we do pasken like R"T 
(royv rishonim, Sh"O, RaM"O, Baal HaTanya (in sefer, not in siddur), Chasam 
Sofer, Satmar Rov, Klausenberger Rov, Minchas Cohen (in sefer Bein 
HaShmoshes, brought down a lot by Mis"B, the Mish"B also (at least 
lechumra), RMF (although he holds R"T in America is 50 not 72)and lbcl"c Rav 
Ovadia Yosef) so how can we risk a brocho levatolo just to be choshes a daas 
yochid (Yeraim).

I personally don't see why we have to be somech on the Levush, and I light 
2.5 minutes before the shkia on Friday. (Since I hold R"T iker hadin). Also 
RMF and lbcl"c ROY both pasken beinyan hefsek tahara after shkia (RMF 9 mins 
(in Brooklyn) ROY 13.5 mins) is kosher due to the sfek sfeika (sofek if 
halocho is like R"T in which case it's vadai yoim even after the  shkeia, 
sofek geonim. Even if the halocho is like the geonim, there's still a sofek 
yoim sofek laila (it's bein hashmoshes). They are soimech on this even for a 
chashash kores of niddah (zova to be specific). So presumably this case is 
much lighter, in that is before the shkeia, and even if it were to be a 
mistake in the luach/clock, there is still a Sf"Sf which one could be somech 
on, bedieved.

A freilichen chanuke


AYW
Beis Shemesh

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