[Avodah] [Areivim] Is Israel a Jewsih State?

[Moshe Yehuda Gluck]

Moshe Yehuda Gluck <mgluck at gmail.com> wrote:
Well - I've got news for you! Eretz Yisroel is not a Jewish state! It's got
lots and lots of Jews in it, true. But...

R' HM:
 It is Jewish because God said so, not becuase of who runs it. 

MYG:
IIRC, we Pasken "Kidshe l'sha'atah v'lo kidshe l'asid lavo". Anyone? (That,
BTW, would make it that God said it ISN'T a Jewish state, even L'shitas
R'HM.) I could be wrong.

R' HM:
IIRC, we Paskin  the Kivush by Ezra of Eretz Yisroel was a Kivush Rabbim.
KIvush Rabbim Shmei Kivush. This is unlike the days of David HaMelech who
was a Yachid. And we Paskin Kivush Yachid Lav Shmei Kivush. That means that
Eretz Yisroel has a status of belonging to Jews,  no matter who rules at any
given time. Also, look at the first Rashi in B'Reshis. I can stae with a
clear conceinece to the world, "This land is mine, God gave this land to
me." This makes it  Jewish State.



Not so Poshut. See Rambam Bais HaBechira 6:14-16 and the Ra'avad there. It
is at least a Machlokes Rishonim, and I'd like to see a source for a clear
P'sak B'zman Hazeh.

KT,
MYG