[Avodah] Updated Toldah DBor Notes

[Yosef Gavriel Bechhofer]

Some answers by chashuve TC's. The CS is still a problem, though, and he 
makes quite a bit of sense:


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*RYGB N"Y

Sholom Aleichem,
Long time no talk!


1) actually it is Tos.'s question in reverse, (also other Baalei Tos. in 
the Shita). However just like at the end of Tos. he is Michaleik between 
what says Bhedya, Rashi was very specific in his language in the first 
Lishna he says that it is learned (only) from a Diyuk, in the second 
Lishna he says that it is (only) a Mashmo'us vs. what he writes in the 
explanation of why the Ptur of Odom is only on Missa he says Mishto'ee 
meaning the straight and simple meaning of the Possuk, so while Diuk and 
Mashmo'us might be enough written to make an Av it is not enough to 
extend the Miyut of Shor vlo Odom. (this also touches on the issue of to 
which Lishna is the Ikkar when there are 2).

There is a beautiful piece of the GR"A on this, see Frankel's edition on 
Rambam Nizkei Momon 13:2 who learns differently how we can say both are 
included and still the Miyut applies only to Missa, (and it would fit in 
to Rashi here), for which I would say that Rashi as a Pashton learns the 
Gemara here Al Asar the way it fits best, as the Gemara calls them both 
Ovos, and later after we reached a Maskana as to what the Av and Toldah 
are and what Rav Popa is talking about, he Teitches bPashtus Hksuvim (as 
is brought in Klolei Haposkim, that Rashi Teitches each place according 
to Pshat al asar, we also find similar idea in Klolei haRambam that he 
will bring his own Pssukim if it is more direct).

2) Without getting into Halacha of it, I would say simply that since 
"ain Darkon Shel Bnei Odom Lihisbonein Bdrochim" (later 27b and see Tos. 
there) it is "Diber HaKosuv Bhoveh", Mah Shein Kein animals normally 
look on the ground and are less likely to trip, and WRT Keilim you would 
need the person (or the animal) to bring them to the state that they 
would be damaged. BTW the Nmukei Yosef in Hameiniach says also like 
Rashi here.

To number 2: See also the Gemara 54b that a normal animal is pottur when 
falls in by day because an animal "Boee Lei Iyunei uMeizal", brought 
Lhalacha C"M 410:19, and see SM"E s'k 33 on the Ramoh that even fron 
Nizokin he is Pottur, and the Chiuv on animals is in exceptional cases.*


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