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<span>Posted:</span> 09 Dec 2007 07:31 AM CST</p>
<div style="margin:0;font-family:Times New Roman, Times, serif;line-height:140%;font-size:12px;color:#000000;"><p>As you surmise, I was not intending to defend Rav Rackman, but to clarify exactly what was so radical about his p’sak.</p>
<p>There was some dispute about the ability of communities to prevent kiddushin from being chal by a takkanah, but I believe that we genrally pasken that such takkanos are enforced. However, I do not believe kiddushin were nullified l’mafreya by the Rishonim or Acharonim, as you said. Indeed, there would have been no need whatsoever to deal with the gittin of m’shumadim, a substantial body of Shu”t literature, if the Rishonim and Acharonim felt they could just be mafkiya kiddushin l’mafreya.</p>
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<span>Posted:</span> 08 Dec 2007 08:56 PM CST</p>
<div style="margin:0;font-family:Times New Roman, Times, serif;line-height:140%;font-size:12px;color:#000000;"><p>Oops, off by a decade. The Rav rakeffet Shiurim or 1994 and 1995, not 2004 and 5</p>
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<span>Posted:</span> 08 Dec 2007 06:56 PM CST</p>
<div style="margin:0;font-family:Times New Roman, Times, serif;line-height:140%;font-size:12px;color:#000000;"><p>Since I’m still in the 1990s, it’ll be a while before I get to those shiurim. <g> But you’re right, I saw “it was fairly common in the Middle Ages”, misunderstood your “it” and didn’t get your point.</p>
<p>So far, RAR noted that of the cases in the gemara, all share two properties:</p>
<p>1- They are rules set in advance. E.g. Anyone who weds in the marketplace. Or anyone who sends a get and invalidates it before the get reaches his wife.</p>
<p>2- They all involve an action, either a wedding ceremony that would otherwise have been valid, or a get that would otherwise have been invalid.</p>
<p>And there is a question as to whether anyone after the gemara, or perhaps after the end of the central authority of the geonim, could enact such laws.</p>
<p>Rabbi Rackman’s usages seems to be unprecedented. But I think you would agree to that.</p>
<p>-micha</p>
<p>PS: The teshuvah you half remember… Was it perhaps the Chacham Bashi about a Teimani wedding in the 1880s? I’m not in the 20th cent yet, but since you only half remember and it seems to fit…</g></p>
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<span>Posted:</span> 08 Dec 2007 06:29 PM CST</p>
<div style="margin:0;font-family:Times New Roman, Times, serif;line-height:140%;font-size:12px;color:#000000;"><p>I don’t have much time, but Sh”ut Tashbat”z 1:133 has a discussion of the difference between prospective and retrospective cases. Rav Rakeffet’s lectures of 12/25/2005 and 1/1/2005 (and maybe a couple around them) discuss a couple of cases in Eretz Yisrael 100 years ago.</p>
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