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<span>Posted:</span> 14 Nov 2006 10:29 PM CST</h3>
<div class="itemcontent"><p>It is no more an indicator than Shinui Ma’aseh, which is a Qinyan Gezeilah because the “new” object is different from the old object, and thus money is the only form of restitution acceptable. Shinui HaSheim does the same, it renders the object to be different from the original object. This change of name happens because something occured to the object, something that is not as significant as change of act, but something large enough to warrant change of name.</p>
<p>Faxes on Shabbos is an entirely different Sugya. i don’t understand the relationship of Nolad though, but I have heard of some Posqim using that logic, but I doubt it had to do with the name change of plain paper to fax, but rather because of function, blank slate to readable material.
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<span>Posted:</span> 14 Nov 2006 02:55 PM CST</h3>
<div class="itemcontent"><p>My diyuq is in the gemara’s lashon “shinui sheim”. You’re saying it’s prescriptive rather than descriptive, a “mere indicator”. I do not know how the gemara can give a rule like that without knowing the future name for every object.</p>
<p>For example, is a fax received on Shabbos “nolad”? We call it a “fax”, so there was a shinui sheim. Calling it “shinui sheim” would be misleading in these new cases if it weren’t really about sheim.
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<span>Posted:</span> 14 Nov 2006 02:28 PM CST</h3>
<div class="itemcontent"><p>My point is that your argument suggests a false cause, in that ‘change of name’ is an entity that has ramifications.</p>
<p>The way I view it, is that name change is a mere indicator that whatever change occurred, however minor, even in a scenario that does not meet the criteria for ‘change in act,’ is a sufficient change prerequisite, for certain acquisitions, inasmuch that a thief is thus financially obligated to the original owner.</p>
<p>I wouldn’t conclude from the din in Hilkhos Shabbos that change of name affects Halakhic status, as the difference between ice and frozen juice is actually functional. I wouldn’t be M’dayeik from language written to describe a P’saq heard from RSZA.
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