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Comment on Changing Name by Jacob Farkas
 
Posted: 14 Nov 2006 10:29 PM CST
http://www.aishdas.org/asp/2006/11/changing-name.shtml#comment-121


It is no more an indicator than Shinui Maaseh, which is a Qinyan Gezeilah because the new object is different from the old object, and thus money is the only form of restitution acceptable. Shinui HaSheim does the same, it renders the object to be different from the original object. This change of name happens because something occured to the object, something that is not as significant as change of act, but something large enough to warrant change of name.

Faxes on Shabbos is an entirely different Sugya. i dont understand the relationship of Nolad though, but I have heard of some Posqim using that logic, but I doubt it had to do with the name change of plain paper to fax, but rather because of function, blank slate to readable material.




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Comment on Changing Name by micha
 
Posted: 14 Nov 2006 02:55 PM CST
http://www.aishdas.org/asp/2006/11/changing-name.shtml#comment-119


My diyuq is in the gemaras lashon shinui sheim. Youre saying its prescriptive rather than descriptive, a mere indicator. I do not know how the gemara can give a rule like that without knowing the future name for every object.

For example, is a fax received on Shabbos nolad? We call it a fax, so there was a shinui sheim. Calling it shinui sheim would be misleading in these new cases if it werent really about sheim.




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Comment on Changing Name by Jacob Farkas
 
Posted: 14 Nov 2006 02:28 PM CST
http://www.aishdas.org/asp/2006/11/changing-name.shtml#comment-118


My point is that your argument suggests a false cause, in that change of name is an entity that has ramifications.

The way I view it, is that name change is a mere indicator that whatever change occurred, however minor, even in a scenario that does not meet the criteria for change in act, is a sufficient change prerequisite, for certain acquisitions, inasmuch that a thief is thus financially obligated to the original owner.

I wouldnt conclude from the din in Hilkhos Shabbos that change of name affects Halakhic status, as the difference between ice and frozen juice is actually functional. I wouldnt be Mdayeik from language written to describe a Psaq heard from RSZA.




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