[Avodah] conversion monitoring

[Arie Folger via Avodah]

On Nov 26, 2015 9:07 PM, "Zev Sero" <zev at sero.name> wrote:
> On 11/26/2015 02:55 PM, Micha Berger wrote:
>> The Noda biYhudah (EH 1:23) sees both sides of that question, whether
>> the fetus would be a giyores qetanah, or a born Jew.

> I had a brief look at that teshuva and don't see any such question.

> See the Pischei Teshuvah 268:6.

> Indeed see there; he doesn't cite any opinion or possibility that such
> a child is able to object.

There are disagreemens in the matters both of you raise. Some say the
leidato bikdusha convert can never object. Some say that one who converted
with a parent can never object.

Others hold both can object (actually, if one holds with the side of the
NbY RMB cited, that a foetus convert can object, than one necessarily holds
that a convert can object even if converting with his mother, as perforce a
foetus always converts with his mother).

Then there is the question of what constitutes objecting. If the child
becomes bar/bat mitzva while purposefully driving a car on Shabbat on the
way to shul (let's ignore the fact the child is not likely to be actually
driving), is the child objecting?

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